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Title: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 25, 2006, 11:52:06 PM
I figure this is as good a place as any to start this thread, since it pertains to local bands and the behaviour of members of local bands.  I realize this topic could cause some controversy/fighting, which is not my intent, but I've been thinking about it a lot and figured I'd start a discussion about it.  That said, although I don't intend to direct this post to any one person/band specifically, if you're a band member who takes what I'm posting about personally and feels as though it could be directly related to YOUR behaviour, maybe you should give your head a shake and attempt to view your own actions from the eyes of an outside observer, or come out and explain why you think I'm wrong.

I am not in a band myself, but consider myself to be a strong supporter of the local music scene here in this city, especially metal.  If I have the money and the time off work, you can pretty much bet that I'll be at the show.  Many of my friends are the same way, band members and fans alike, they will be at all the shows they can make it out to.

The question of etiquette/respect is this.  How can a band expect to be shown respect and support if their members do not show the same respect and support to the bands they share the stage with?  The last few shows I have been to, I have seen members of bands who appear right before they are about to go on stage, play their set, and then leave within 5 minutes of getting off the stage.  To me, this type of behaviour indicates selfishness and a complete lack of respect for the other bands.  I know if I was the one about to take that stage, or about to finish up my set and get off that stage, I would not be leaving the show and contributing to the empty space in front of the stage.  I would want to be there, filling up that space, to show my support to the other bands, because I can't imagine ANYONE enjoys playing to an empty room.  As a mere fan of local music, I understand this, having never been on that stage looking out onto the crowd (or lack thereof).  If I was a member of a band, I'd like to think my understanding of this concept would run even deeper.  Maybe I'm just crazy that way.

This is a topic that infuriates me and makes me want to go so far as to boycott bands whose members are notorious for that behaviour.  But then at the same time, it's not the fault of the entire band if one or two members demonstrate such a lackadaisical attitude towards the people they are playing shows with.  However, I feel it reflects poorly on the band as a whole in the long run, which is unfortunate.

Maybe the reason for this is simply that the band members don't really like the style of music of their band and the other bands that are playing that same show... to which I would ask, why be in a band that plays a style of music you don't like?  Is it just for the attention, just for the ego boost of being on the stage, no matter what you're doing?  Maybe my convictions are just too high... but that seems like a bogus reason to be in a band.  I'd think it would be for a love of the music, not because that's where the attention is.

Any other thoughts on this matter?  Am I completely wrong in seeing this type of behaviour as the ultimate "fuck you" to the other bands that are playing the show?  I'd like to hear what people think, and if I'm completely off track in this line of thinking, I encourage people to explain how only sticking around long enough to play your own set is anything other than disrespectful.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: bob endo on February 26, 2006, 02:17:15 AM
Maybe "they" just don't like loud music. ???
I wear ear plugs. :D


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 03:22:41 AM
Maybe the bands have gear to unload, so they have to leave and get it back to their jamspot

Maybe, having never played a show in your life, you don't realize what a physical toll it takes to put on a good concert and when all is said and done, you need something to eat before you pass out.

Maybe, They have seen the next band a million times and could use a breath of fresh air, once again from the huge physical excertion.

Or in my case,  A band that has played here a couple times is playing right after me and I'd rather put my own balls in my mouth than sit through that.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 26, 2006, 11:29:47 AM
Quote from: IAmGray
if I'm completely off track in this line of thinking, I encourage people to explain how only sticking around long enough to play your own set is anything other than disrespectful.

thanks, Kevin.  And there's no sarcasm there.  And now... I'm going to comment on my agreement/disagreement with the points you brought up.

Maybe the bands have gear to unload, so they have to leave and get it back to their jamspot

If that's the case, cool.  I agree 100% that sometimes there IS stuff to do right afterwards.

But then there are also members of bands who I have seen leaving while the rest of the band is still packing their shit up... which sends the signal of purely just not giving a fuck about anyone else.  But then i guess the issue of who helps load gear is between the band members.  The point is though, that in some cases the person is leaving and it clearly has nothing to do with gear.

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Maybe, having never played a show in your life, you don't realize what a physical toll it takes to put on a good concert and when all is said and done, you need something to eat before you pass out.

I can understand the fact that playing a show takes a lot out of a person.  However, I have also seen a lot of bands who have put on kickass live shows and still manage to stick around for the other bands.  I have also seen band members who, having put on an intense show and getting off the stage to realize that if they don't eat something they'll pass out, go grab something to eat and then come back.

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Maybe, They have seen the next band a million times and could use a breath of fresh air, once again from the huge physical excertion.

That's true, but I'm not saying stepping outside for a breather is a sign of disrespect.  I'm talking about jumping off the stage, getting in the car, and driving away, and not coming back for the rest of the night.

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Or in my case,  A band that has played here a couple times is playing right after me and I'd rather put my own balls in my mouth than sit through that.

Been to enough shows that yeah, you start to realize which bands you like and which bands make you want to put a bullet in your head.  Still, I have personally made a valiant effort to sit through many local bands that I hate just because the room was empty and I wanted to show support for the scene.  Maybe I'm just crazy like that.  Don't get me wrong though, I've walked out and stood outside to avoid hearing bands I don't like.  But I stick around and come back in for the other bands.  I don't leave altogether. 

And what if it's a case where a band who has members guilty of this sort of thing is a relatively new band, and the member(s) in question have NEVER been seen at a metal show other than when they're playing?  To not have even given the other bands a fair listen, EVER, that's the thing that bothers me most.  I have seen bands who have been around for a long time and have played many shows that only stick around for their own set... and to me it's still a sign of disrespect, but to see members of relatively brand new bands doing it, in a way I think it's even worse because they're at the point where they should be trying to make a name for themselves, a good name, trying to get support behind them... not end up being labelled as a bunch of jerks because of the actions of one or two of their members.

To me, a local band is about gaining local support first and foremost, and as a fan I like to see that the band members, ALL of the band members, give a shit about the people who will hopefully help them make it big by coming out to their shows and buying their merch.  I like to see them sticking around to check out the other bands and talking to the people who came out to watch them play. 

And although I appreciate having input showing things I might not have thought about, at the same time I don't 100% agree with the argument that I've never been in a band so I don't understand.  Because sometimes, it's pretty easy to read these kinds of actions.  I mean, we're talking about shows in Regina, where if it's at the exchange, and I'm outside having a smoke, I can see who's hauling gear and who just went to grab their coat and left without lifting a finger.  If I've been to most shows that some band has played, from damn near the very beginning of their career as a band, and have seen that with some members and some bands, there's a definite pattern that they show up 5 minutes before their set and leave as soon as they're off the stage, that's where it begins to become inexcusable to me.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 11:37:43 AM
Maybe, having never played a show in your life, you don't realize what a physical toll it takes to put on a good concert and when all is said and done, you need something to eat before you pass out.



Oh fuck, this is hilarious.

That's all I'll say about that.



Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: J-Net on February 26, 2006, 01:42:38 PM
I'm glad Naiomi brought this subject up as i have always thought the same thing. It's obviously a touchy subject, but bands have to realize that if you're playing a show its just common courtesy to stick around and watch the other bands. I mean if you can't stick around all the time, then thats understandable, but i've seen one or two bands who NEVER stay for the rest of they show. they play their set and then they're gone. If you want to stay in the scene playing shows you're going to have to learn to support the other bands.

I fully understand the point of "not liking some of the bands so why stay there and watch them".Infact there are times when i as a patron of the shows will just go outside while someone's set is on because i don't like their style of music. However, i highly doubt you play with the same bands all the time. So what's the excuse for not staying for a couple shows?

I mean it is your choice to leave or not, but you're losing respect from a few people by not showing respect to other bands!


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 01:46:15 PM
Oh fuck, this is hilarious.

That's all I'll say about that.


I didn't mean the kind of drunken rage show that you put on steph


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 01:57:38 PM
I'd like to point out that you (Naiomi) have never seen me play my set and then leave right away and not come back, because I strongly agree with staying until the end for the rest of the bands.  So I do stay.

To get right to the point.

Whatever, Activate blows in my opinion and their singer has no lung capacity.  I don't go to a metal show to watch 30 seconds of crap metal and then 5 minutes of some wanker showing off with yet another solo in another genre in every song. 

I don't doubt that at some point, everyone will realize this.

And then all shall be well.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 02:31:32 PM

I didn't mean the kind of drunken rage show that you put on steph


Why I never


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 02:40:41 PM
I think I've only been drunk at one show that I've played actually. I mean, that move that you guys did where you all pretended you were holding a goblet or whatever does look pretty strenuous, I can understand why you would need food energy.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
I think I've only been drunk at one show that I've played actually. I mean, that move that you guys did where you all pretended you were holding a goblet or whatever does look pretty strenuous, I can understand why you would need food energy.

Fuck, have you ever held a glass ball?

They weigh a ton.


And my original comment was referring back to the barrage of punches I took on halloween from you shortly before you played


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
hahahahahahahahaaha hhaahah

Is that what it is? A glass ball?

Well, in my dreams it's a goblet.

And I'm sure you fully deserved those punches.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: HxT on February 26, 2006, 04:36:37 PM
i kept thinking it's a grapefruit


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Master0vDisharmony on February 26, 2006, 04:38:06 PM
Invisible inverted necrofruit from the tree of azbathxxwtvz


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 05:03:11 PM
How is that pronounced?


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: HxT on February 26, 2006, 05:23:13 PM
i think it's pronounced like as-bath-ZUH-witzzzz


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 05:43:26 PM
I'm going to have to go ahead and say you're wrong.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 05:52:16 PM
It's pronounced exactly how it's spelled.

duh.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 05:56:47 PM
OMG, you're like, such an uber snob.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: BigEv on February 26, 2006, 06:31:52 PM

To get right to the point.

Whatever, Activate blows in my opinion and their singer has no lung capacity.  I don't go to a metal show to watch 30 seconds of crap metal and then 5 minutes of some wanker showing off with yet another solo in another genre in every song. 

I don't doubt that at some point, everyone will realize this.

And then all shall be well.

I guess a direct slam at my band, myself, our singer, and my guitar playing isn't a question of etiquette/respect for the scene and the people in it. Being in a band I obviously know that not everyone is going to like us, but a comment like this is totally uncalled for, especially considering the topic of this whole thread.

I knew from the first post that this was directed at us. In our defense, or our singers defense, us and Tracy both realize it looks bad that she's had to take off right after our set at our shows so far. This doesn't mean she doesn't want to stick around, or doesn't like the other bands, or has no respect for the other bands. She has had other things she has had to get to on those nights and wasn't able to stick around. She's always fairly busy and it just so happens on these nights she was busy. She'll be sticking around at our future shows whenever she can. She wants to.

As far as never been seen at metal shows before, I don't know if this was directed at all of us or just her, but I can assure you the rest of us have been to many metal shows. We used to live in Yorkton and Ituna and we would still drive down to every metal show we could make it to. Tracy isn't the hugest metal fan on the face of the planet. She likes metal, but I don't know if she's been to metal shows in the past, I haven't known her for all that long. I can assure she's not in our band just to "boost her ego" or anything like that, she just loves music and singing in general, we met her and became friends, and we asked her to join our band. 


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 07:17:32 PM
I think you're a rad guitar player,  just for the record.

Talent wise, the two guitars and bass playing in your band is hard to match, I know I can't pull off the shit that you can.

I don't think you come on saskmetal enough to realize how much of an asshole I am.

Ask the PP, he knows what I'm talking about.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 07:30:13 PM
Allright, after re-reading my post...it was uncalled for.

I think that you guys should rethink your overall approach to song writing in some aspects.  And if you're the guy with the two ridiculously nice Jacksons then start singing alot more.  Cause quite frankly you have the best clean voice in the band.  I feel if you're going to branch off into different styles of music...throw some jazz into the mix really quick and then get the fuck back into metal...keep it interesting by going back and forth (See the band "Ephel Duath" for what I mean.)

Upon further reflection, I shouldn't have made that post.

Besides, Cessate is really the band I dislike the most.

Fucking twats should stay in PA,


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: HxT on February 26, 2006, 09:21:21 PM
dude, i for once agree with Kevin....Ev, hook up some Ephal Duath shit! that's the mad hotts! and throw in some TBLU for good measure

OH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 26, 2006, 09:33:28 PM
I'd like to point out that you (Naiomi) have never seen me play my set and then leave right away and not come back, because I strongly agree with staying until the end for the rest of the bands.  So I do stay.

I'd like to point out that I (Naiomi) at no point in time mentioned any band or any band member specifically by name, and if I had done so, the words "Kevin" and "OnceFallen" would never have appeared in that post anyways. 

Unless I had ended my post with "p.s. On an unrelated note, that KevinOnceFallen guy is a wanker." 


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 26, 2006, 09:42:48 PM
I knew from the first post that this was directed at us. In our defense, or our singers defense, us and Tracy both realize it looks bad that she's had to take off right after our set at our shows so far. This doesn't mean she doesn't want to stick around, or doesn't like the other bands, or has no respect for the other bands. She has had other things she has had to get to on those nights and wasn't able to stick around. She's always fairly busy and it just so happens on these nights she was busy. She'll be sticking around at our future shows whenever she can. She wants to.

I can assure you, it wasn't directed at the band as a whole, but since it's been openly stated, then yes, this post was directly inspired by Tracy.  I wasn't wanting to bring names into it or make it personal in any way.  Because it's not just her who is guilty of it.   I HAVE seen other members of other bands do this and it has gotten under my skin and made me lose respect for them as part of the local scene.  The reason for me posting this now, however, is a direct result of me being at the last two Activate shows, which occurred in close proximity to each other, and seeing Tracy only for as long as she is on stage and then leaving, which to me has made it seem like she's only there for one purpose, which is to get on stage and leave, without giving a fuck about the other bands.  So the post is basically a result of having seen it from others before and being annoyed by it, but then by seeing it happen at shows that are so close to each other, it became something I wanted to post about.  if that clarifies and makes any sense at all...

But yeah, it DOES look really bad, and people DO take notice.  But in the end, I appreciate you posting in response to this and explaining that her taking off from shows isn't the act of disrespect that it appeared to be.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Agent Orange on February 26, 2006, 09:44:54 PM
Nairobi just shut up and wave your hands  :lol:


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 26, 2006, 09:46:37 PM
Diggles, just shut up and steal that dude's found bumbeer slurpee.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Agent Orange on February 26, 2006, 09:48:52 PM
I'm not saying I'm above stealing somebodies liquor, but you couldn't even pay me enough to drink from a bottle previously sipped on by that douche


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 10:24:55 PM
dude, i for once agree with Kevin


Ted, you douchebag, we agreed on Cephalic Carnage once too.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 26, 2006, 10:25:50 PM
Nairobi just shut up and wave your hands  :lol:


HA! ©Cryptopchick Ent.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 26, 2006, 10:26:21 PM
I'd like to point out that I (Naiomi) at no point in time mentioned any band or any band member specifically by name, and if I had done so, the words "Kevin" and "OnceFallen" would never have appeared in that post anyways. 

Unless I had ended my post with "p.s. On an unrelated note, that KevinOnceFallen guy is a wanker." 


Quit sassin' me.


Assface


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 26, 2006, 11:51:49 PM
I was just sayin' is all... :-D


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: absenceofempathy on February 27, 2006, 12:01:32 AM
See what you do Naomi??????hahahaha  good points..


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Bender on February 27, 2006, 01:00:48 AM
Fucking twats should stay in PA,

Good idea. lol


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chad on February 27, 2006, 07:54:19 AM
With all due respect to the members of this forum and local bands as a whole, this thread is completely pointless and stupid.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chester on February 27, 2006, 08:18:56 AM
It has a point, it was just buried in a question....and yeah it is stupid.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on February 27, 2006, 09:12:09 AM
It has a point, it was just buried in a question....and yeah it is stupid.

yer stupid.





 :-)


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Prairie Prophet on February 27, 2006, 09:27:43 AM
I can't help but think that the reason this thread was started stems from other things, but that matters not.  I also can't help but think there's another band or rather band member being thought about here as well.  This is something I suppose I should be concerned about, but really, it's not worth wasting my time thinking about.  When it comes right down to it, it reflects worse on the individual than it does on the band.

Without trying to sound cocky or arrogant, in respect to our band, I think the lack of support from one individual is easily made up for by the extensive support from the rest.  It is also a matter of seeing what you like to see in some respects.  The chance of all of us sticking around for a hard rock show is higher than the chance for all of us sticking around for a metal show, though generally 80% of us will be there.

You do need to support, that goes without saying.  If you don't give back, people are going to see this, and it's not going to reflect well.  As far as individuals loading gear and all that jazz, as I say, it's an individual thing, and doesn't really make the band look bad, so much as it makes the person look bad.



Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 27, 2006, 10:24:49 AM
Stupid and pointless?  Maybe.  But on the other hand, it appears to have cleared up a misconception about at least one band.  And I'm not the only one who has noticed it or said something about it.  At least I brought up the topic instead of bitching about it quietly/privately, which would have resulted only in the misconception being continued.  I saw the actions of someone and came to a conclusion based on what I saw, and if I hadn't said anything about it here, I probably would have stuck with that conclusion.  So for me, it wasn't stupid, or pointless.  It served a good purpose if you ask me.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 27, 2006, 01:16:15 PM
I couldn't care less about bands supporting other bands.  Bands don't have any responsbility or duty beyond playing music.  End of story.  I don't know how old you are, or how much experience you have in music, but you need to lose the uptopian ideals and get back to reality.

Now, onto my personal experiences.

I have seen more than my share of crappy bands in the last 10 years.  I'm not gonna force myself to show support and respect for bands that frankly don't deserve it.

Some people have a life outside of being in a band.  I used to practice 5 nights a week and go to every show regardless of genre.  But I don't anymore.  It's not that I stopped loving music, I just don't have the time, the energy, or the funds to keep up.  Nowadays, I don't even get to see all the bands I like, let alone checking out unknown local bands.

When my band plays we don't like showing up early.  For one, the bands usually suck (see my previous comment), and two, being early for shows usually means one of two things; either a) you get so fucking bored sitting around, that you aren't really into it by the time you play, or b) you get so fucking bored that you drink your boredom away and are totally smashed by the time you play.

There is many reasons why bands don't stick around after they play.  I've already spoken to some of these reasons.  Others could include; being totally fucking exhausted after playing; being totally fucking wiped from also having worked all week; knowing you have to get your ass out bed and get to work the next morning (yes, it is true, not every musician works a dead-end job, some of us actually have careers).  Sometimes you get ripped off by the promoter, or the sound-guy fucked up your sound, or you just had an offnight; either way, you are no mood to be sociable, and it's better off to just go home.

In conclusion, there is many reasons why bands don't always watch the other bands at a show.  But these reasons have fuck all to do with etiquette and/or respect.  If that's what you are looking for, I suggest you take up checkers or model trains or some other hobby that is for pinks and molly coddles.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 27, 2006, 01:51:53 PM
In conclusion, there is many reasons why bands don't always watch the other bands at a show.  But these reasons have fuck all to do with etiquette and/or respect. 

Thanks for the input.

I just want to reiterate, I didn't post what I posted in order to be a bitch or single out any specific bands.  I posted looking for clarification and reasoning behind what appears to the uneducated observer to be a lack of respect.  Many reasons have been given, and I completely, 100%, appreciate all the opinions/explanations.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chad on February 27, 2006, 02:36:37 PM
In conclusion, there is many reasons why bands don't always watch the other bands at a show.  But these reasons have fuck all to do with etiquette and/or respect.

I agree 100%.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 02:48:22 PM
When my band plays we don't like showing up early.  For one, the bands usually suck (see my previous comment), and two, being early for shows usually means one of two things; either a) you get so fucking bored sitting around, that you aren't really into it by the time you play, or b) you get so fucking bored that you drink your boredom away and are totally smashed by the time you play.

(yes, it is true, not every musician works a dead-end job, some of us actually have careers). 


I think you are a cock,

What is your band called, because I boycott stupidity and you and anything connected with you have been added to the list.

Quit being a little bitch and stay for shows you don't even have to pay to see.  You're getting paid to play so quit being a fucking pussy and hang out and support some local bands.  I've never heard more pathetic whining in my entire time of this forum.

I have a good job too, plus I go to U of R and I'm in a band.  But you know what, I can still take time out of my "busy" schedule to sit around for 3 hours and watch some other bands. 

Someone must be spoon feeding you bullshit, because you're completely full of it.

And giving oral sex to other men doesn't count as a career.



Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chester on February 27, 2006, 03:01:32 PM
damn... so my career counsellor is really a pimp?


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 03:03:24 PM
Oh, I just found out he's in the Radfords...so luckily I don't have to change anything up in my boycotting.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 03:04:17 PM
damn... so my career counsellor is really a pimp?

Don't diminish my insults with your homosexual jokes.

Plus that one isn't all that good


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chester on February 27, 2006, 03:08:19 PM
Hey I merely used your homosexual insult as a springboard and it was funnier than hell so fuck off


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on February 27, 2006, 03:10:01 PM
i blame all this on naiomi.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Master0vDisharmony on February 27, 2006, 03:12:19 PM
Shes a shit disturber for sure.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 03:13:52 PM
Hey I merely used your homosexual insult as a springboard and it was funnier than hell so fuck off


Quit joking on my dollar.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 27, 2006, 03:31:35 PM
i blame all this on naiomi.

I hate you.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 27, 2006, 03:31:47 PM
Shes a shit disturber for sure.

I hate you.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 27, 2006, 04:47:28 PM

I think you are a cock,

What is your band called, because I boycott stupidity and you and anything connected with you have been added to the list.

Quit being a little bitch and stay for shows you don't even have to pay to see.  You're getting paid to play so quit being a fucking pussy and hang out and support some local bands.  I've never heard more pathetic whining in my entire time of this forum.

I have a good job too, plus I go to U of R and I'm in a band.  But you know what, I can still take time out of my "busy" schedule to sit around for 3 hours and watch some other bands. 

Someone must be spoon feeding you bullshit, because you're completely full of it.

And giving oral sex to other men doesn't count as a career.

My band is called the Radfords.  You certainly aren't the first person to say that you don't like us, and yet we seem to be doing just fine.

I could do lots of things for free, but I choose not to because I don't enjoy them.  I am sure you do the same.

We don't even get paid for a lot of the shows that we play.  But for the ones where we do get paid, we get paid to play.  That is where it begins and ends.  What we do with the rest of our time, as long as we are professional, is up to us.  What's next?  Mandatory autograph sessions?  Kissing babies?

I don't think I came across as a pussy or being whiny.  I think I offered some valid reasons as to why bands should not be obligated to watch other bands.  I still see a lot of local bands, but I'm certainly not going to be told that I should have to do it out of respect, or because it's free, or that I somehow owe 3 hours of my time to watching bands I don't want to see because a promoter paid me money to play some songs.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 05:04:42 PM
We don't even get paid for a lot of the shows that we play. 



Wow, does that ever not come as a surprise.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: tracy on February 27, 2006, 05:05:35 PM
Hey there,

Tracy here.  Just thought I should post on this thread seeing as how it's about me.  I definitely understand where you are coming from in seeing my early departure as a sign of disrespect, but let me assure you that's not what is meant by it.  

Let me start out by saying, I respect any person who has the ability and desire to commit themselves to a band or an instrument and put on a great show and not make any money from it, while at the same time leaving themselves subject to all kinds of criticism, not to mention rude or inappropriate remarks.  

In that same breath, I respect any individuals right to personal preference and personal time.  I've put on many shows in my life, and have learned that leaving or staying at a show is not a sign of disrespect.  It just means people have outside commitments.  Whether it be playing another show, doing sound at another show, watching another show, going to a best friends birthday party or even just sleeping.  All of these commitments are just as valid as the next.

I love the band I play in (Activate).  The guys are great, and truly gifted musicians, writers and great friends.  But I will honestly say, no I am not a metal fan.  That doesn't mean I don't appreciate it as a genre.  It just means I personally prefer other genres of music.

That said, I'm also not a fan of clubs or loud music.  I wear ear plugs, but earplugs distort the already somewhat crippled sound so much that all you hear is a muddy mess of what used to be good music.  Why am I in the band then?  I am not in the band to 'boost my ego'.  I am in the band because I enjoy playing with and working with the guys, and because I find a lot of the instrumentation in their songs really clever.  By playing in this band I get to experience a genre of music I'm not wholly familiar with, which allows me to appreciate it on more levels. However, although I have a great deal of respect for the guys and their music, it is still not what I would listen to on my stereo at home.  I'm just more of a "pop/rock/light" person.

This is one of the reasons you have not seen me around the metal scene, and one of the reasons I do not stay afterwards.  Another reason is the fact that I just moved back into the city last year.  I have been at school overseas for the past three years.  While away at school I played in many different bands for school projects as well as for experience.  Initially I would stay until the end of the night, watching every band perform.  However, doing this every night, for a long period of time coupled with exams and school assignments took its toll on my energy and overall health.  My exhaustion carried into my everyday life, and had a significant impact on my schooling and physical health.  This is why I do not stay for the rest of the night nowadays.  I work full time during the week, am involved in extra curricular activities, and on the weekends I have my own projects I am involved with (composing songs and working on my own band), as well as paying bills and running every day errands I don't get time to run during the week.  I am very busy, and I like to keep a steady sleep schedule so my body doesn't get thrown out of whack like it did back when I was at school.  

Perhaps anyone else with a similar schedule would be able to handle staying out and watching the other bands, but the ultimate reason for me is my body is too tired and my mind is too exhausted to enjoy anything but relaxation.

So, in a paraphrasing conclusion, I do not hate or dislike the other bands, I respect them a lot, and have talked with some of them on occasion, and enjoy their company.  And I would not take offense if other bands only stayed to perform their show and left, because what a person does with their time is their own business, and I respect that.  

Oh, and as for equipment carrying, setting up and taking down, I'm useless at it, and the guys know it.  I'm VERY VERY WEAK.  Everytime before and after every show I ask if there is anything I can do to help, and everytime they laugh and say no.  

If I'm sounding condescending I'm sorry.  I totally understand why what I'm saying would come across as rude, but I do not mean it to be.  I am only posting this because I do not want my bandmates (Activate) to get a bad rep on account of the fact that I do not stay.  They're great musicians and great writers and they deserve to have an audience.  

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I hope it's given you some insight into why myself and other bands do this.

-Tracy


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: J-Net on February 27, 2006, 05:23:08 PM
I personally commend you for saying what you did Tracy. I haven't heard you guys play, but hey if you wanna leave at the end of you show, i say go. There are so many other band members that do this and i don't see them being as personally attacked as you.

I'm sure if i was in a band I'd stick around once in a while, but not all the time. People have things to do, places to be and honestly i haven't been to a show in a VERY long time so i can't say much in this topic.

However I'm just sick of certain people berating other people's bands when I'm sure there are people around who can't stand their band I've said it before and i'll say it again. I think there's only about 2 or 3 bands that i actually like in this city and thats my personal opinion. You can't change my opinion by berating me with the high school antics that go on around here (and especially this thread)

We all know that like maybe 5 percent of the bands who are in this scene are actually going to make it elsewhere. They're either break up, suck huge amount of ass, or end up doing tribute shows at the Pump, but atleast the majority of them put on a good show for the local crowd!!!

Ok i went a bit off topic, but i figured i have a right like everyone else does to make their voice heard. Im one of those people who enjoys many different genres of music (hell i have Cryptopsy on the same cd as Duran Duran). And well if you're playing a show and you dont wanna stay around after cause you don't like the other band's genre, then maybe you're playing at the wrong show!



Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 05:27:38 PM
Why play music if you don't love it?

Everyone else in a band in Regina (Cover bands and Radfords aside) play music because they love doing what they do.  Metal kids play in metal bands because it's something that they surround themselves with and love.  Rock guys play rock because that's what they grew up on and listen to and that's what they want to play for other people.  Jazz guitarists because the music captivates them Emo kids, well they play emo...because they're lonely and it's harder to cut your wrists when both hands are busy on a guitar.  It's really a life saving measure for emo kids...their parents probably make them do it as a therapy.  And so on and so on.

So if you don't love the music you're playing, you end up like the fucktards, (Not saying that you're a fucktard, just those guys who play Les Pauls and jump up and down in the background) that play in Avril Lavigne's and Jessica Simpsons bands, who only play because it gives them money and more time to put on completely uninspired performances.

No one wants to see someone who plays in a band just because it's the thing to do and you had nothing else to do that night.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 27, 2006, 05:50:29 PM
Everyone else in a band in Regina (Cover bands and Radfords aside) play music because they love doing what they do.

Well then, I'd like to hear your theory as to why we play music.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: thesoggycracker on February 27, 2006, 05:58:36 PM


I have seen more than my share of crappy bands in the last 10 years.  I'm not gonna force myself to show support and respect for bands that frankly don't deserve it.



.


the exact reasons why i dont go to radfords shows......


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: bob endo on February 27, 2006, 06:08:06 PM
Grey ... you should be ashamed of yourself for this inflamatory, calloused thread ! :D
No ... not really.

Personally, I could care less if the other bands hang out once they're done.
For instance, on the road I rarely watch the bands I travel with, unless the t-shirt boi is sick.
Sorry, but the 40 hour drive was a little tough on me.
I'm gonna need some sleep for a few hours.
I don't mind Activate.
I was there for all the bands that night ... my choice.
Everybody has one.

p.s. I would also like to commend Tracy on the use of both
"my body" & "whack" in the same sentance ... :P [/beavis]


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 27, 2006, 06:09:49 PM

the exact reasons why i dont go to radfords shows......

Which is the exact reason why I dont go to Scari... oh wait... you aren't even a band anymore.  The Radfords have been keeping it real for 7 years.  

Let me know when you can do more than look constipated, grow bad facial hair, and absolutely ruin Ace of Spades.  Then we'll talk.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 27, 2006, 06:11:49 PM
He's in a band.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on February 27, 2006, 06:12:24 PM
And belonging to the band that you do, you really shouldn't be throwing around insults based on hygiene and personal appearance.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Master0vDisharmony on February 27, 2006, 06:14:29 PM
Let me know when you can do more than look constipated, grow bad facial hair, and absolutely ruin Ace of Spades.  Then we'll talk.

Im sorry, but fuck is that ever funny.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Daltron on February 27, 2006, 06:24:40 PM
Mark is a piece of shit, true story. Also, the radfords suck, not only as musicians, but as people.  Kevin > The Radfords.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: thesoggycracker on February 27, 2006, 06:30:38 PM
Which is the exact reason why I dont go to Scari... oh wait... you aren't even a band anymore.  The Radfords have been keeping it real for 7 years.  

Let me know when you can do more than look constipated, grow bad facial hair, and absolutely ruin Ace of Spades.  Then we'll talk.

ruined ace of spades, what were you at our first show? unlike your band we later improved upon that performance........ 7 years eh? i cant decide whats more impressive about that the fact you guys havent learned how to play your instruments or the fact that people still just dont care about your shitty band........we gained more respect in our year and a half on the scene then your band will ever hope to muster, believe me i worked a few of your shows and witnessed the mass exodus that takes place before the radfords go on stage


and being in your position i dont think that insulting someones appearance is really in order, i mean dude come on didnt anyone ever teach about glass houses and throwing stones? for christ sake what does your band have: jabba the drummer (i noticed at the telemiracle show that his bones have finally collapsed), elvis costello's gay brother on guitar and vox (nice tight pants maybe next time try some that cover your ass crack),and ponyboy on bass......quite the cross section

back to the toilet with you


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 06:47:44 PM
i mean dude come on didnt anyone ever teach about glass houses and throwing stones? for christ sake what does your band have: java the drummer (i noticed at the telemiracle show that his bones have finally collapsed), elvis costello's gay brother on guitar and vox (nice tight pants maybe next time try some that cover your ass crack),and ponyboy on bass......quite the cross section


Pure gold, absolutely hilarious

Especially, "his bones have finally collapsed" part...wow


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 27, 2006, 07:22:41 PM
Ahhh, it's so good to see the Radfords bringing out the best in others.  Kudos to all of you.

The Radfords - Wreckin' It For Everyone


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: thesoggycracker on February 27, 2006, 07:32:02 PM
i believe thats a point for me


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 07:35:05 PM
No kidding,

Nice retaliation Costello, or is it Ponyboy?

Either way, you haven't lost any fans here today, so you can still look forward to all 5 people sticking around for your next set


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 27, 2006, 07:42:45 PM
Well then, I'd like to hear your theory as to why we play music.


Well let's eliminate some possibilities.

It can't be for chicks, cause quite frankly the two front men are sending the wrong vibe out (it screams "pillow biters") and I doubt Jaba can even find his willy.

It can't be for excercise, because well that ones obvious.

It can't be for fame, 5 people can only spread the word so far.

It couldn't be for money, it seems that it's either pro-bono or it's back to another weekend of cock-sucking and potato chips.

And it certainly couldn't be to progress as musicians,  well, that one's obvious too.


Well I'm all out of ideas.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Daltron on February 27, 2006, 11:43:47 PM
Lol.  Maybe its to be the self proclaimed "best band in regina." fuuuuck.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Bob Jovie on February 28, 2006, 03:34:34 AM
I'm finding it really weird that the younger people are more for staying, while an overwhelming majority of the vetrans on the scene are more for going...

And I know I'm going to end up eating my words here, but I think that age may have something to do with it.  When you're younger, you're still seeing things for the first time, you have a lot less responsibilities, and quite frankly, you've got the energy not only to watch the bands, but to be the opening act at the show and be in the pit for the rest of it.  There's still the romantic notion of (as someone put it) the utopia of the scene and the brotherhood of musicianship.

But I can see where everyone else is coming from, having seen everything, seen it rehashed, not having the energy and having to work a full-time job.  That being said, and having seen over 1000 performances in the last 10 years (by my best guess) what keeps me coming back is that youthful exhuberance.  Seeing people smiling and having a great time at something that I love more than anything.  I don't get out to see as many shows as I used to, even though I put them on now (cheap plug: Gate and Chemical Horizon at the Gaslight April 14 :) ). 

However, I don't see this as a taboo.  But I can see how some people would get offended.  I mean, say for a low turnout show, it's still better to play to the opening bands and their girlfriends than no one at all.

As per Tracy, I don't know you, but I do respect your decision to not like live music yet play in a band.  I sure as hell don't understand it, but I guess I can respect it.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on February 28, 2006, 09:33:14 AM
holl-lly fuck you guys...





Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: tracy on February 28, 2006, 09:43:52 AM
Heya Bob, thanks for understanding.  And just to clarify, it's not that I don't like LIVE music.  I guess a better way to put it would be I don't like *too* loud music in confined, small spaces, like clubs.  It doesn't matter if it's live, like shows at the Exchange, or pre-recorded at dance clubs, like 2044.

Just thought I'd clarify!

-Tracy


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 28, 2006, 10:29:43 AM
I will frequently throw out over-the-top, sarcastic generalizations that are intended to give people a hard time and press their buttons a little.  I try to do it in good fun, but sometimes other peope (who usually don't know me) take my comments a little to seriously.  However, yesterday I got personal, and I don't like doing that to others.

So while I originally didn't appreciate being called a whiner and a pussy when all I was trying to do was offer some insight into the original topic, I would still like to apologize for my reaction.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Eric on February 28, 2006, 10:48:28 AM
I don't think mark should be the one apologizing.  OnceFallen don't talk about respect when almost everyone of your has been bashing bands or individuals.  I  may sound pissed off....and its cause I kinda am after reading your posts.  Who are you to talk shit about people that I am quite certain you have never talked to in your life.  Don't bash the people in these bands, I would call your comments pretty cheap and offensive. 

Secondly, I play drums in Activate, and this is directed at one of your earlier posts.  Throughout your posts you have talked about playing metal because of your love for metal. And how you shouldn't play in a band if you don't love the music....then you go on to say that we should rethink the way way we write songs???
So we are writing music from our hearts, yet you feel that we should rethink the way we write music because YOU don't like it.  HAHAHA.  sorry......buts thats pretty much retarded. 
But this is beyond the point....stop being an asshole.  Thats it.  Don't expect respect for your band if your going to be a cunt.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chad on February 28, 2006, 11:10:26 AM
Tracy's post is good...but not needed.  There is absolutely no reason for her to have to clarify or answer to anyone about her personal life/schedule outside of her band.

Anyone who thinks they have the right to question anyone's musical tastes outside of the band they perform in...and then bash the hell out of them can fuck right off and die.

This entire thread is an embarrassment to our scene as a whole.



Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on February 28, 2006, 11:24:30 AM
effin niaomi.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: wannabe on February 28, 2006, 11:26:10 AM
I agree, Tracy shouldn't have to explain herself like that.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chester on February 28, 2006, 11:36:36 AM
Hey, it's been a long time since the scene had someone we could point at and whisper about at shows.  Malformed will appreciate the spotlight being turned away for a bit.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Agent Orange on February 28, 2006, 11:44:07 AM
Malformed will appreciate the spotlight being turned away for a bit.

actually..that's all I had...you jerk


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: J-Net on February 28, 2006, 11:59:28 AM
I'm sure you'll get it back in no time. I know you!


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on February 28, 2006, 12:06:21 PM
I'm sure you'll get it back in no time. I know you!

'cause we all know he's an attention whore...


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: bob endo on February 28, 2006, 01:11:56 PM
Ahem ... the term is cum-sponge.
Nobody can ever take that away from you Malf !


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Bender on February 28, 2006, 01:13:35 PM
Tracy's post is good...but not needed.  There is absolutely no reason for her to have to clarify or answer to anyone about her personal life/schedule outside of her band.

Anyone who thinks they have the right to question anyone's musical tastes outside of the band they perform in...and then bash the hell out of them can fuck right off and die.

This entire thread is an embarrassment to our scene as a whole.



Absolutely agreed.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chester on February 28, 2006, 01:15:10 PM
Quote
Ahem ... the term is cum-sponge.
Nobody can ever take that away from you Malf !

I heard through the grapevine that Bounty is willing to pay top dollar for a sample of his hair. The absorbent properties are said to be, and I quote, "worth studying".


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Agent Orange on February 28, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
Nobody can ever take me away from you Malf !

faggot vegetarian!!!


I heard through the grapevine that Bounty is willing to pay top dollar for a sample of his hair. The absorbent properties are said to be, and I quote, "worth studying".

I always thought they were sending me free paper towel samples to hint at me having a masturbation problem, i had no idea it was to lure me into a business venture.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Master0vDisharmony on February 28, 2006, 01:56:28 PM
You're rich BEEYATCH!


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 28, 2006, 03:06:37 PM
Quote from: Chad
This entire thread is an embarrassment to our scene as a whole.

Quote from: IAmGray
Am I completely wrong in seeing this type of behaviour as the ultimate "fuck you" to the other bands that are playing the show?  I'd like to hear what people think, and if I'm completely off track in this line of thinking, I encourage people to explain how only sticking around long enough to play your own set is anything other than disrespectful.

This was the basic reasoning behind my post.  It was not to single out ANYBODY or cause anyone to have to make excuses and go into details about their personal lives.  It was a question of "this is what it looks like TO ME, in my opinion, but if I'm wrong, I would like to be given other perspectives."  I clearly indicated that I realize I could be completely wrong/off base with coming to that conclusion.  I was not the one to come out and say "this band sucks and this is the person I'm talking about."  And when that DID happen, I still attempted to make it clear that although the post was a result of seeing it happen recently with the band that ended up being named, it wasn't meant to be a personal attack on that specific band.

I asked, "am I completely wrong," and received many answers from people indicating that in a lot of cases, I (and other people who have come to the same conclusions) AM wrong, and shouldn't jump to those conclusions.  How does that mean this thread, asking this question, is an embarrassment to the scene?  To ask a question based on something I felt strongly about, in order to be given some clarification and a better understanding, is an embarrassment?

The fact that the thread became so full of personal attacks and blame is unfortunate, but that clearly wasn't my intent in posting it. 


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 28, 2006, 03:37:05 PM
* This is not directed to Nairobi *

Quit complaining, it's pathetic, this is the internet.

Not everyone likes everyone else.

The internet was designed for two things,  Porn and Insults. 

Anyone who uses it for anything else should probably come get their mom to read through their posts and make sure their spelling is all correct and the content is appropriate.  Because you wouldn't want "mommy's little angel" to have a bad experience on the scary internet.

As far as people not respecting my band because of shit on this board.  If someone makes their decision about a band based on internet forums and not the music than that person should be taken out back of the exchange, where they do not belong, and they should be shot.

This thread is the furthest thing from the problem, if anything it's the seriousness that you people take this forum.  So what, I don't like a band and I said it.  I still gave them props for being mad guitar players.  That's alot more positive than I usually am.

Fucking pathetic



Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: HxT on February 28, 2006, 03:38:24 PM
The internet was designed for two things,  Porn and Insults. 

I've been looking for a new signature, thanks!


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 28, 2006, 03:39:30 PM
Dear OnceFallen,
It's "mommy's."

:-D

Love,
Nairobi


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 28, 2006, 03:42:22 PM
Dear Nairobi

What are you talking about, that's what I wrote.

OF


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 28, 2006, 03:48:24 PM
Dear OF,

If by "wrote" you mean "typed."

Pffft.

Love,
N.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 28, 2006, 03:53:22 PM
Nope, by "wrote" i meant shut the fuck up.

HA! ©Cryptopchick Ent.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 28, 2006, 04:01:03 PM
Dear Nairobi

What are you talking about, that's what I shut the fuck up.

OF

Now that just sounds awkward.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chad on February 28, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
How does that mean this thread, asking this question, is an embarrassment to the scene?

Starting the thread wasn't an embarrassment...wha t it became was an embarrassment.  I never said it was YOUR fault for asking...I simply felt that it was an issue that didn't need to go as far as it has.

This is what I saw.  Basically the thread was saying, "Tracy from Activate always leaves right after she's done performing, why?"  The answer is that she doesn't have to give an answer.  If certain people get offended then let them be offended.  IF the gril's got shit to do the she's got shit to do and doesn't have to ask permission from the scene to see if it's okay.

The fact that people instantaneously become assholes without cause is the problem here.  I do realise that "this is the internet and not everyone likes everyone else" but grow up already and quit beating each other up over stupid issues.

And to Naomi: I don't question your intentions with this thread.  Obviously you thought this out initially and just wanted to clarify.  Fine.  I just found it unappealing that fingers were pointed and bands were bashed for no reason.  That's not the kind of shit that needs to go on here.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: mark on February 28, 2006, 04:05:20 PM
So what, I don't like a band and I said it.  I still gave them props for being mad guitar players.

So you're saying that I'm a mad guitar player?  Aww shucks... you shouldn't have.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: IAmGray on February 28, 2006, 04:07:26 PM
Starting the thread wasn't an embarrassment...wha t it became was an embarrassment.  I never said it was YOUR fault for asking...I simply felt that it was an issue that didn't need to go as far as it has.

This is what I saw.  Basically the thread was saying, "Tracy from Activate always leaves right after she's done performing, why?"  The answer is that she doesn't have to give an answer.  If certain people get offended then let them be offended.  IF the gril's got shit to do the she's got shit to do and doesn't have to ask permission from the scene to see if it's okay.

The fact that people instantaneously become assholes without cause is the problem here.  I do realise that "this is the internet and not everyone likes everyone else" but grow up already and quit beating each other up over stupid issues.

And to Naomi: I don't question your intentions with this thread.  Obviously you thought this out initially and just wanted to clarify.  Fine.  I just found it unappealing that fingers were pointed and bands were bashed for no reason.  That's not the kind of shit that needs to go on here.

Ah, okay.  Gotcha. 


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 28, 2006, 04:32:28 PM
So you're saying that I'm a mad guitar player?  Aww shucks... you shouldn't have.

I was talking about the Activate guys,  I know you probably realize this because it was quite obvious I wasn't talking about you.

Serious dude, you know you're awful so shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Prairie Prophet on February 28, 2006, 05:06:04 PM
holy muthafuck.  this thread got long and stupid in a real hurry.

Here's my take on a few things that I felt I should voice my opinion about, even though nobody cares.  First off, people are going to be in bands for different reasons.  Whatever their reasons are, they are theirs, and as long as they aren't pretending to be something they're not, who else's business is it?

For example, the reason I'm in Stillseed, is because I want to succeed in a mainstream market.  That's not the only reason, but that's a big part of it, otherwise the band wouldn't stress me out so much.  Do I love live music?  Absolutely, I live for it.  Have I ever skipped out of a show early?  Yes.  I've also shown up late.  Was that ever meant out of disrespect?  Negative.  I've been to a plethora of shows in the past 2 and a half years, I know what it's like to go in there and not enjoy yourself while some band that clearly doesn't interest you in the least does their awful best.

That said there's also a lot of bands out there that I haven't listened to a single song of before or after I've been to their live shows (generally Death Metal related), but I would be there again in a heartbeat.  That's kind of a sidetrack though.

The point I'm trying to make is that I agree there is a lot to be said about scene etiquette, especially if you're trying to draw support from the scene.  We don't live in a perfect world though.  Respect is an ever dwindling virtue in every area of society these days.  Sad reality.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.

As for bands and why people are in them, like I said, everyone's got their reasons.  In the case of The Radfords, I'm pretty sure they're content with what they're doing, and isn't that the point?  It is for them.

Every band has goals, some bands just want to make music they enjoy and not give a shit who comes out to see it.  Some bands want to actively pursue a career in the music industry one way or another.  This even applies to cover bands, much as I hate to say it.  The ultimate point has already been made clear, it's nobody else's business.  There's no right or wrong reason to be in a band.


Quote from: OnceFallen
As far as people not respecting my band because of shit on this board.  If someone makes their decision about a band based on internet forums and not the music than that person should be taken out back of the exchange, where they do not belong, and they should be shot.


This quote makes me happy.  Basically because of the use of the Exchange in the explanation.  The Exchange rules, and anyone who does not get it, is not going to belong there.  At the end of the day that place is THE haven for local music, and should exemplify everything that local music should be about.  And usually does.  If that makes any sense.

If any of this post doesn't make sense, you are dumb.  that's the only possible explanation.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: bob endo on February 28, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
Stop beating a dead horse, PP.
HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: wannabe on February 28, 2006, 06:15:22 PM
you know, this trhead has made the last 2 days of work kinda fun

I'd like to express my thanks to all involved


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Agent Orange on February 28, 2006, 07:00:48 PM
I'd like to thank Ben for giving me some rolling papers a few news years shows back..was a good doobie


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: OnceFallen on February 28, 2006, 07:04:38 PM
Not Ben!!

I don't think guitar lessons are gonna work anymore Ben,  I've got morals to think about.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: therockstar on February 28, 2006, 10:31:23 PM
I have to admit that some of these burns are funny as fuck.. by most parties involved. I really don't have anything to add to this thread because I could care less... but man.. I've had a good laugh at some of the more creative burns. Keep up the good work everyone.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on March 01, 2006, 09:06:39 AM
holy muthafuck.  this thread got long and stupid in a real hurry.

Here's my take on a few things that I felt I should voice my opinion about, even though nobody cares. 

should have left it at that PP.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Cryptopchick on March 01, 2006, 10:40:01 AM
hahahahahah

Would I be wrong in asking, What's the big freakin' deal?


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: Chester on April 25, 2006, 10:38:58 AM
anyone who went to the Augury show..what'd you think about the dude from Unexpect prancing about the stage and sidelines while Augury was playing? Seemed a little rude to me.


Title: Re: A question of etiquette/respect.
Post by: The Corruptor on April 25, 2006, 01:40:43 PM
didn't notice him